Forest Fenn

Collected research from various internet sources:


random ideas

“Not too far”= you are close distance wise, “Too far to walk”= you can’t cover that distance by walking from where you are to where it is. To be even more vague, another action is required that isn’t necessarily transportation dependent. This idea has been discussed before elsewhere.

The poem in it’s original form does not line up each letter in the lines but staggers them. That person suggested if you turn the poem sideways… it may represent the outline of a mountain range. ( thinking out of the box ).


i think the logical way to approach this is first to have faith that Fenn would design a pattern of clues such that as you figured out one and then the next, and went from one to the other, you would have certainty you were on the right path.

Fenn has said we need to start at the beginning and you have to have the right starting point to have any chance.

The starting point is WWH, and logically then Fenn would have put a clue in the poem, and probably subtle clues in the book, that IDENTIFY with certainty what this place is. I am convinced he tells us the specific and unique name of it, when the clue or clues for it are understood.

Then when you know with certainty where you start, then you go onto and try to figure out the next clue.

Fenn likely set this thing up to be near impossible to solve the following clues until you first know where you are starting. Some of the things FF has said, I think he has hinted as much.

FF had in mind, I believe, to lay out a path and clues in the poem that could fit a great many places. This was done intentionally. This was done so that the poem could not be shortcutted

They do lead precisely to one location, but only if you have the right starting place and you know with certainty.

He put something in the poem to know this with certainty, but not for any of the other locations, they can only be deduced when you have solved where the start is.

“The poem was written by an architect; each word is deliberate.”

“When I wrote that poem, I wasn’t playing any games. It is straight forward.”

“It is not on the top of a mountain (various chatter and discussion)… but it may be close.”

“People tell me where they are, they are very precise in the descriptions of where they are or have been, and I can tell you that some of them have been pretty close.”

With regards to the clues and how many anyone has cracked – “I know they have cracked the first two & went right past the treasure chest. Several people have done that.”

Forrest has said it takes brain work and research to figure out the clues. He also said “If it was easy anyone could do it.” Don’t head out to the first Brown Hotel you find. Don’t head for the first place to catch Brown trout. 9 out of 10 folks who have looked have already been to those same places you just found on the internet. Do serious research and start with where warm waters halt. The poem is a puzzle.

Forrest actually said this over on Richard Saunier’s blog: “The Treasure chest full of gold and precious jewels is more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe.” and we know that a link is 1/100th of a chain and a chain is 66 feet. So:

100 links = 1 chain
66,000 links = 660 chains (66,000 ÷ 100)
1 chain = 66 feet
660 chains = 43560 feet (660 x 66) = 8.25 miles


1. Special place to Forrest

2. Trout related…probably a trout stream or near a trout stream

3. Beautiful place

4. In the mountains North of Santa Fe

5. In a place where it will stay for a thousand years if no one finds it

6. Not on private or tribal land


Start Glacier Gorge Trailhead, CO, warm water halts when frozen as in Glacier
The trailhead is put in below BROWN bear lake, which also has BROWN trout
Mt MEEKer is to the south, second highest summit in Rocky National Park
The waters high i think is the trail heading to Lake Haiyaha feed by Chaos creek,
There is an old ‘Fire Trail’ that cuts to The Lock, and comes out just east of the major junctions of lake haiyaha trail, glacier gorge trail, and the lock trails.
The fire trail is not used as often, Fire as in BLAZE.


Browns park in NW Colorado is situated near cold springs. Cold springs would be where the warm water ends. If you put in below the home of Brown, you would be putting your raft in below Browns Park on the Green River. If you traveled down stream, and did not leave and go towards Meeker, just east of Browns Park, you would end up going through The Gates of Ladore(rapids) High water and heavy loads. As you travel through the Gates, there was a forest fire a couple of years ago (Blaze). Your effort will be worth the cold… The Green River is cold when you get wet in the rapids. Along this stretch of the river, there numerous cliff outcroppings where there are numerous trees. An excellent place to hide a treasure chest.


Fur trapper Robert Newell lamented the fact that the mountain men were becoming horse thieves and robbers. Summarizing the feelings of old mountain men toward the demise of the fur trade and the new lawless breed, Newell told Joe Meek, “We are done with this life in the mountains—done with wading in beaver dams and freezing or starving alternately—done with Indian trading and Indian fighting. The fur trade is dead in the Rocky Mountains, and it is no place for us now. . .What do you say, Meek? ( No place for the Meek) Browns Hole (Browns Park)


There is another story about Joe Meek…when he was lost in winter and came across the Yellowstone Plateau. Possibly the first white guy to see the place. Later in life he recounted that experience. He wrote: “The whole country… was smoking with the vapor from boiling springs, and burning with gasses, issuing from small craters, each of which was emitting a sharp whistling sound… like that place the old Methodist preacher used to threaten me with… But the warmth of the place was most delightful, after the freezing cold of the mountains; so if it was hell, it was a more agreeable climate than I had been in for some time.” What tough guys those trappers must have been.




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